Tencent Holding Ltd. (TCEHY) Q2 2020 Earnings Name Transcript

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Tencent Holding Ltd. (OTC:TCEH.Y)
Q2 2020 Earnings Name
Aug 12, 2020, 8:00 a.m. ET


  • Ready Remarks
  • Questions and Solutions
  • Name Individuals

Ready Remarks:


Thanks for standing by, and welcome to the Tencent Holdings Restricted 2020 second-quarter and interim outcomes announcement convention name. [Operator instructions] I need to advise you that this convention is being recorded immediately. I’d now like handy the convention over to your host immediately, Ms. Wendy Huang from Tencent.

Please go forward, Ms. Huang.

Wendy HuangInvestor Relations

Thanks. Good night. Welcome to our 2020 second-quarter and interim outcomes convention name. I am Wendy Huang from Tencent IR crew.

Earlier than we begin the presentation, we wish to remind you that it contains forward-looking statements, that are underlined by various dangers and uncertainties and will not be realized sooner or later for varied causes. Details about common market circumstances is coming from a wide range of sources outdoors of Tencent. This presentation additionally incorporates some unaudited and non-IFRS monetary measures that needs to be thought-about along with, however not as an alternative choice to, measures of the corporate’s monetary efficiency ready in accordance with IFRS. Non-IFRS measures are supposed to mirror our core earnings by excluding sure one-time and/or noncash gadgets.

For an in depth dialogue of threat components and non-IFRS measures, please confer with our disclosure paperwork on the IR part of our web site. Let me introduce the administration crew on the decision tonight. Our chairman and CEO, Pony Ma, will kick off with a brief overview. President Martin Lau and Chief Technique Officer James Mitchell will present a enterprise overview.

Chief Monetary Officer John Lo, will conclude with monetary evaluate earlier than we open the ground for questions. I’ll now flip the decision over to Pony.

Pony MaChairman and Chief Government Officer

OK. Thanks, Wendy. Good night. Thanks, everybody, for becoming a member of us immediately.

Because the starting of this yr, the COVID-19 pandemic had menace the world, disrupting our day by day work and life routines. Throughout this difficult time, we utilized our platforms and applied sciences to assist customers adapt to the brand new regular by way of on-line instruments to help enterprises in conducting digital upgrades and to broadly contribute to financial restoration. And now I’ll spotlight the outcomes we achieved within the second quarter of 2020. Complete income was RMB 115 billion, up 29% yr on yr and 6% quarter on quarter.

Gross revenue was RMB 53 billion, up 36% yr on yr and 1% quarter on quarter. Our non-IFRS working revenue was RMB 38 billion, up 38% yr on yr and 6% quarter on quarter. Non-IFRS internet revenue attributable to fairness holders was RMB 30 billion, up 28% yr on yr and 11% quarter on quarter. Shifting to our on-line platform.

In social, mixed MAU of Weixin and WeChat elevated 6% yr on yr to 1.21 billion. Simply for individuals who will not be aware of the excellence between Weixin and WeChat, they’re two totally different merchandise. Weixin is a chat to serve the customers within the Mainland of China, whereas WeChat is a sister product which serves customers outdoors of the Mainland of China. And sensible units MAU of QQ was 648 million.

In video games, we develop our management by way of prolonged recognition amongst established franchise and success of latest launch in each China and worldwide markets. In media, video and music subscriptions elevated as we launched the top-tier content material and add songs to the paid library. In FinTech, business fee transaction resumes development, and our wealth administration platform extends its combination buyer property. Leveraging our broad consumer base, we help the SMEs digital upgrades and contribute to financial restoration.In cloud, we signed up a big contract in key verticals and captured alternatives in rising sectors.

In utilities, we keep our {industry} management in cell safety, cell browser and Android app retailer in China. I’ll invite Martin and James to debate the enterprise evaluate.

Martin LauPresident

Thanks, Pony, and good night and good morning to all people on the decision. For the second quarter of 2020, our complete income grew 29% yr on yr. Worth Added Companies represented 57% of our complete income, inside which social networks was 23% and on-line video games was 34%. On-line Promoting was 16% of complete income.

FinTech and Enterprise Companies represented 26% of our complete income. Shifting into extra granularity for Worth Added Companies. Phase income was RMB 65 billion within the second quarter, up 35% yr on yr and 4% quarter on quarter. Inside Worth Added Companies, social networks income was RMB 26.7 billion, growing 29% yr on yr primarily pushed by extra subscriptions for animated collection and music, in addition to in-game merchandise gross sales.

The consolidation of HUYA contributed to each year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter income development as effectively. Complete VAS subscriptions elevated 20% yr on yr to 203 million. Video subscriptions elevated 18% yr on yr to 114 million primarily as a result of success of animated collection and drama collection reminiscent of The Land of Warriors Season Three and a brand new season of Candle within the Tomb: The Misplaced Caverns. Music subscriptions rose 52% yr on yr to 47 million as we included extra songs within the paid library.

On-line video games income grew 40% yr on yr and three% quarter on quarter to RMB 38.Three billion pushed by primarily smartphone video games. Complete smartphone video games income elevated 62% yr on yr to RMB 36 billion. The robust efficiency primarily flowed from our key titles in China and worldwide markets and the discharge of deferred income generated in earlier intervals, together with the COVID lockdown interval. The expansion additionally benefited from the low base of Peacekeeper Elite in the identical quarter final yr, which was launched in Could 2019, and from the monetary consolidation of Supercell, which occurred October 2019.

PC shopper video games income decreased 7% yr on yr to RMB 10.9 billion attributable to mushy DnF and cross-buying efficiency, offsetting elevated income from League of Legends. Shifting on to social networks. We launched throughout the quarter replace for Weixin to boost options and functionalities for communication, content material and providers. On communication, customers can nearly faucet their mates by way of Tickle, which has enabled many artistic expressions.

The addition of stay broadcast perform in teams facilitates varied vertical use instances reminiscent of on-line schooling. Day by day messages grew each yr on yr and quarter on quarter. On content material, we upgraded Official Accounts’ video publishing capabilities, strengthening our advice algorithm and launched new content material aggregation instruments. These initiatives enabled extra environment friendly content material supply and revitalized content material consumption within the Official Accounts.

Consequently, Official Accounts’ web page views elevated yr on yr throughout the first half of 2020, rebounding after three years of consecutive declines. As for providers, we launched a free and easy-to-use toolkit to assist SMEs, particularly long-tail service provider, construct and function Mini Shops, empowering them with capabilities reminiscent of order administration, after-sales providers and stay broadcast. In QQ, we enriched options for customers to remain collectively on-line whereas they’re bodily aside. Customers can provoke on-line events and play AI-empowered social video games in video chat setting.

To have interaction the increasing fan base for anime, comics, video games and novel content material, we rolled out customizable comedian stickers inside QQ chats and strengthened content material choices by way of common ACGN-related Mini Packages. All these assist us to make QQ proceed to be entrance and heart with the younger customers. For video games, throughout the quarter, play exercise in China normalized downwards versus the primary quarter as customers returned to workplaces. Nonetheless, consumer time spent on smartphone video games in China elevated yr on yr, suggesting that the work-from-home interval has structurally widened enchantment of taking part in video games.

Internationally, our MAU elevated considerably as many customers linked with their colleagues and classmates by way of on-line video games throughout the stay-at-home interval. Two new smartphone video games and one new PC video games additionally contributed to our worldwide MAU development. Our flagship titles maintained a excessive cadence and high quality content material updates, together with new sport modes, digital gadgets and graphics upgrades. Particularly, Honour of Kings motivated customers to play extra matches with additional rewards, which deepened its consumer engagement throughout its annual Give Me 5 competition.

We additionally launched high-quality skins for its well-known three kingdom heroes. Peacekeeper Elite celebrated its first anniversary with new content material and sport modes to boost the aggressive sport expertise. Within the crossover promotion in July, we launched interesting Tesla-branded automobile skins within the sport, which gained widespread recognition. For brand spanking new releases, Supercell’s Brawl Stars in China was particularly effectively acquired as gamers loved its easy-to-learn but aggressive sport play.

It topped the iOS China obtain chart in June, extending Brawl Stars’ international management within the fast-paced three versus three MOBA style. In recent times, we now have achieved important success in sport growth. We proceed to strengthen a number of key structural components, that are vital for creating and working extremely profitable video games. Firstly, our homegrown and worldwide flagship sport studios have confirmed monitor file in creating category-leading video games, particularly on smartphones.

We established 17 long-standing franchises, which have every individually exceeded 10 million day by day lively customers of their working histories. Studios develop content material with a excessive diploma of autonomy whereas leveraging Tencent’s publishing sources. Their capabilities in innovating engaging core sport play, creating immersive story traces and releasing partaking updates are very important in sustaining long-term success. Secondly, our studios are early adopters of cutting-edge applied sciences.

Tencent’s back-end infrastructure is designed to help a large variety of gamers concurrently. We deploy industry-leading sport engine and AI-empowered instruments to shorten growth lead time and supply distinctive sport experiences. For instance, we utilized our proprietary expertise in Honour of Kings Wukong AI problem, which attracted over 50 million gamers to play in opposition to the AI. We consistently improve our anti-cheat system to foster honest competitors, which is essential for sport play and particularly eSports match.

And we collaborate with exterior IP and nurture inside IPs to counterpoint content material and improve sport longevity. We create common narratives that tie into well-known literature, anime and well-known characters reminiscent of Moonlight Blade, Naruto and Pokémon’s Pikachu. We develop personal IP affect by way of cross-media adaptation, leveraging our giant media platforms. Wanting ahead, we’re dedicated to investing in expertise, applied sciences and IPs to strengthen our management in sport growth.

Now I cross on to James.

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

Thanks, Martin. Turning to On-line Promoting. General, our advert income grew 13% yr on yr, which we consider was an above-market fee, to CNY 18.6 billion. Sequentially, income grew 5%, a bit of bit slower than our regular second-quarter seasonal upturn as a result of advert spends by the video games and Web providers classes normalized downwards on much less visitors throughout the second quarter after surging attributable to abnormally excessive visitors within the work-from-home interval throughout the first quarter.

Nonetheless, we diversified our promoting {industry} breadth as classes reminiscent of eCommerce and schooling elevated funding for his or her June 18 promotional campaigns for summer season programs, and classes reminiscent of car and client electronics marketed extra aggressively with us as consumption recovered. To strengthen our long-term competitiveness, we launched a brand new built-in advert platform, enabling advertisers to extra effectively place adverts throughout all of our inventories, together with our cell advert community. This new platform also needs to enhance bidding effectivity and supply smarter concentrating on for advertisers. For social and others promoting, Weixin properties, significantly Moments, noticed fast advert impressions development, whereas our cell promoting community skilled greater eCPMs as video commercials’ income contribution elevated from a single-digit share a yr in the past to over 40% on this quarter.

We consider the Weixin ecosystem is redefining China’s internet advertising by enabling advertisers to successfully channel on-line, social and off-line visitors to their very own personal domains reminiscent of Official Accounts and Mini Packages, with the end result that our advertisers are successfully investing in long-term and constant buyer relationships, not simply buying one-time transactions. For media promoting, income declined yr on yr attributable to weak demand from model advertisers and the delayed manufacturing and launch of sure selection exhibits and drama collection throughout the second quarter. Nonetheless, subsequent to the quarter finish and helped by common drama collection, Nothing However Thirty, Tencent Video’s visitors has materially improved, which we expect testifies to the resilience of our long-form video platform. Taking a look at FinTech and Enterprise Companies.

Phase income was CNY 29.Eight billion, up 30% yr on yr and up 13% quarter on quarter. Inside FinTech providers, income grew yr on yr and quarter on quarter primarily pushed by growing consumer base and enterprise scale as consumption rebounded on individuals returning to their locations of labor. Our service ecosystem, together with fee options and enterprise administration instruments, gives off-line retailers an environment friendly path to digitally improve themselves and to entry clients and settle transactions by way of cellphones. Throughout the quarter, service provider for our fee options stepped up, particularly from classes reminiscent of retail and eating places.

Consequently, our business fee variety of common day by day transactions and worth per transaction every elevated year-on-year, rebounding robustly from the COVID-19 influence within the first quarter. For our wealth administration enterprise, aggregated buyer property and the variety of lively clients rose quickly yr on yr as extra clients got here to understand the comfort of managing their money by way of our safe and well-curated platform. Inside Enterprise Companies, income expanded each yr on yr and quarter on quarter as cloud providers consumption by Web firms within the public sector elevated. Though off-line challenge deployment has not totally resumed its regular tempo, reflecting the lingering influence from COVID-19, we now have seen nice demand in industries, together with monetary providers, the general public sector, healthcare and schooling.

We strengthened our back-end infrastructure capabilities by adopting extra custom-made gear, and we’re constructing and increasing extra of our personal hyperscale knowledge facilities. And I will now cross to John.

John LoChief Monetary Officer

Thanks, James. For the second quarter of 2020, complete income was CNY 114.9 billion, up 29% yr on yr and 6% quarter on quarter. Gross revenue was CNY 53.2 billion, up 36% yr on yr or 1% quarter on quarter. Internet different positive factors was CNY 8.6 billion, greater than double yr on yr and quarter on quarter.

This primarily comprised non-IFRS adjustment gadgets, together with internet positive factors on deemed disposals of sure investees in verticals reminiscent of eCommerce, stay broadcast providers and on-line video games, in addition to internet honest worth positive factors ensuing from elevated valuations of investees. Such positive factors have been partly offset by impairment provisions for goodwill at China Literature and, once more, sure investee firms. Working revenue was CNY 39.Three billion, up 43% yr on yr and 6% quarter on quarter. Internet finance prices have been CNY 2 billion, secure yr on yr and up 19% quarter on quarter.

The quarter-on-quarter enhance was primarily as a result of recognition of overseas alternate losses for the second-quarter 2020 in comparison with — for a achieve within the first quarter, partially offset by decreased curiosity expense attributable to refinancing train capturing the decrease rate of interest setting. Share of losses of associates and three way partnership was CNY 295 million in comparison with share of revenue for a similar quarter final yr. Sequentially, share of losses widened by 5%. The motion primarily mirrored the influence of longer income deferral interval and higher advertising and marketing spend at an affiliate sport firm.

On a non-IFRS foundation, we recorded share of revenue of CNY 658 million for the second quarter of 2020. Revenue tax expense was CNY 4.6 billion for Quarter 2 2020, and the efficient tax fee was 12.3% this quarter. IFRS internet revenue attributable to fairness holders was CNY 33.1 billion, up 37% yr on yr and 15% quarter on quarter. Diluted EPS was CNY 3.437, up 36% yr on yr and 15% quarter on quarter.

Let me stroll you thru our non-IFRS monetary numbers. For the second quarter, working revenue was CNY 37.6 billion, up 38% yr on yr and 6% quarter on quarter. Internet revenue after NCI was CNY 30.2 billion, up 28% yr on yr or 11% quarter on quarter. Diluted EPS was CNY 3.13, up 27% yr on yr and 11% quarter on quarter.

Turning to phase gross margin. Gross margin for VAS was 53.7%, up 1.1 share level yr on yr or down 5.Three share factors quarter on quarter. The sequential lower was primarily attributable to, No.1, income mixture of lower-margin digital content material providers, together with the stay broadcast of HUYA and music streaming providers; two, greater mixture of lower-margin platform positive factors versus PC video games. Gross margin for On-line Promoting was 51.4%, up 2.Eight share factors yr on yr or 2.2 share factors quarter on quarter.

The industrywide removing of cultural development charges contributed to the yr on yr and quarter-on-quarter enhance. Sequentially, the advance was additionally pushed by a big proportion of promoting income derived from higher-margin Weixin Moments. Gross margin for FinTech and Enterprise Companies was 28.9%, up 4.9 share factors yr on yr and secure quarter on quarter. The year-on-year enhance primarily mirrored improved margin contributed by wealth administration and payment-related providers.

On working bills. Promoting and advertising and marketing bills have been CNY 7.Eight billion, up 64% yr on yr or 10% quarter on quarter. Advertising and marketing spending elevated year-on-year, significantly on on-line sport, Weishi, in addition to cloud and enterprise providers as a share of revenues. Promoting and advertising and marketing bills elevated to six.8% from 5.3% in Quarter 2 2019.

Sequentially, higher advertising and marketing spend was primarily pushed by on-line video games, cloud and enterprise providers, in addition to the consolidation of HUYA. G&A bills was CNY 16.5 billion, up 31% yr on yr and 17% quarter on quarter primarily attributable to prudent funding in R&D and workers power. Inside G&A, R&D bills have been CNY 9.9 billion, up 39% yr on yr and 23% quarter on quarter. G&A and R&D represented 14.4% and eight.6% of revenues, respectively.

As at quarter finish, we had roughly 71,000 staff, up 26% yr on yr and 10% quarter on quarter. For the second quarter of 2020, gross margin was 46.3%, up 2.2 share factors yr on yr or down 2.6 share factors quarter on quarter. Yr-on-year enhance mirrored improved gross margin throughout all three enterprise segments. Sequentially, margin decreased, primarily reflecting decrease gross margin of VAS, as talked about earlier than.

Non-IFRS working margin was 32.8%, up 2.1 share factors yr on yr and largely secure quarter on quarter. Non-IFRS internet margin was 27.2%, secure yr on yr or up 1.Three share factors quarter on quarter. Lastly, I’ll share with you some key monetary metrics for the quarter. Complete capex was CNY 9.5 billion, a rise of 117% yr on yr or 54% quarter on quarter.

Working capex grew 120% yr on yr to CNY 8.Three billion, primarily attributable to superior procurement of servers to open enterprise development. Nonoperating capex decreased 96% yr on yr to CNY 1.2 billion, primarily reflecting spending on knowledge heart development. At quarter finish, free money move was CNY 28.5 billion, up 127% yr on yr or down 27% quarter on quarter. We reported internet money place at CNY 7.2 billion evaluating to internet debt of CNY 5.7 billion final quarter, which mirrored our robust free money move technology and the consolidation of HUYA internet money steadiness, partially offset by funds for M&A initiatives.

Truthful worth of our shareholdings in listed investee firms, excluding subsidiaries, was roughly CNY 726 billion or USD 103 billion as on the finish of second quarter. In concluding my comment, I wish to point out that we now have made a statutory announcement on the White Home issuance of the Government Order referring to WeChat. WeChat and Weixin are two separate merchandise, with WeChat serving our worldwide customers. Primarily based on our preliminary studying and subsequent press studies, the Government Order is concentrated on WeChat in america and never our different companies within the U.S.

We’re within the means of in search of additional clarification from related events within the U.S.

Wendy HuangInvestor Relations

Thanks, John. We will now open the ground for questions. As the corporate is in search of clarification on the Government Order, we won’t be ready to reply speculative or hypothetical questions. Let’s transfer to the Q&A about our second-quarter outcomes.

Thanks on your understanding. [Operator instructions]

Questions & Solutions:


We’ve got the primary query comes from the road of John Choi from Daiwa. Please go forward.

John ChoiDaiwa Capital Markets — Analyst

Good night and thanks for taking my query and congratulation on an awesome quarter. My first query is in your cell video games. I feel in the event you have a look at this quarter, administration did point out that we have seen a decline sequentially in consumer time spend, however by way of the income, it has accomplished very effectively. I feel flagship titles did very effectively this quarter.

So might administration elaborate a bit extra what has pushed this? Is it extra on the ARPU aspect or paying ratio? I assume a few of the new promotions did assist. And only a fast follow-up from right here, like, judging from this, we do have some information on the latest delay on DnF cell. So how ought to we — what ought to we anticipate for the second half development for cell video games? And simply rapidly, in the event you might contact base in your abroad income contribution out of your on-line sport can be very useful.

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

John, thanks for the questions. I will attempt to catch all of them. However beginning with the final one, the abroad contribution to our video games income was really much like the fourth-quarter final yr. We’ve got various profitable new video games launched abroad.

However as you recognize, attributable to our comparatively lengthy amortization interval, it will likely be a number of quarters earlier than these new video games move by way of from our money receipts into reported income. Then by way of the expansion within the cell video games enterprise, within the second quarter, we noticed time spent normalizing downward to some extent versus the primary quarter as individuals return to work in China. Nonetheless, on the constructive aspect, we noticed time spent nonetheless growing yr on yr in China, whereas we expect the viewers for a few of these video games have structurally expanded, and we will see that within the knowledge. And we noticed uplift in time spent, in addition to funding in our worldwide video games, which was useful.

I might additionally say that whereas it will be exhausting to type of understate the transformative influence of the COVID disruption, the sport {industry} continues to innovate and develop and develop in methods that may proceed to yield advantages lengthy after COVID. And in the event you look, for instance, the standard of digital gadgets that we’re releasing now versus the standard of digital gadgets that have been launched 10 or 5 and even two years in the past, then prior to now, a digital merchandise could be a crimson pistol as a substitute of a blue pistol. At present, in the event you have a look at the sport Peacekeeper Elite and customers have the power to really customise their automobile right into a Tesla, and that is confirmed extraordinarily common. And naturally, whenever you’re speaking about customizing a whole automobile somewhat than simply customizing a pistol, that is a unique value level.

One other instance on the customization of weapons itself is in the event you have a look at the sport VALORANT, there is a customization possibility known as the Elderflame, which principally transforms your weapons into dragons. And the dragons eat ammunition with their jaws after which spit out bullets within the type of flames. And it is wonderful to have a look at. And I feel that 5 or 10 years in the past, the expertise did not actually exist for individuals to customise their vehicles into Teslas and customise their weapons into dragons.

And naturally, these higher-technology digital gadgets include greater value factors, and plenty of gamers select to not buy these. However for those who do buy, then they’re unlocking one thing that’s really actually cool for themselves to get pleasure from, actually attention-grabbing for different gamers to see, and it helps fund the price of persevering with to make these video games greater and higher going ahead. Then lastly, in your query in regards to the DnF cell immediately and the influence on the second half of this yr. I feel it is necessary to remember that our sport enterprise development in any interval is pushed by a large number of video games.

So whereas, for instance, Peacekeeper Elite monetization has definitely helped our cell sport income within the first half of the yr, we additionally noticed robust development from Honour of Kings. We additionally noticed profitable new releases like Brawl Stars and so forth and so forth. And as we undergo the remainder of the yr, we’ll proceed to introduce extra value-added digital gadgets inside our present video games that we expect will get pleasure from extra resonance, and we’ll proceed to launch a large number of different video games. So whereas we anticipate to convey cell DnF to market fairly rapidly, we expect that in actuality, there’s various development drivers for our cell sport enterprise past any single title.



Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Han Joon Kim from Macquarie. Please go forward.

Han Joon KimMacquarie Analysis — Analsyt

Nice. Thanks for the prospect to ask questions. I will ask them one after the other. The primary one is absolutely only a query about your M&A technique, and maybe I am studying this sample unsuitable.

However prior to now, we have type of seen you guys take a minority stake and type of take it from an ecosystem strategy. I feel extra not too long ago, I really feel such as you’ve been seeing issues that — whether or not it is [Inaudible], a deal over the opposite department [Inaudible] and issues like that. We’re making an attempt to soak up them a bit of bit extra. So am I studying this sample unsuitable? Or has there been a distinction in type of thought course of about how we needs to be internalizing a few of these property that could be creating extra synergies if we do internalize them? So simply type of perspective on that will be nice.

Martin LauPresident

Sure. I feel our M&A technique has all the time been making an attempt to spend money on up and coming firms which have an awesome administration, who’ve modern merchandise, and on the identical time, they’ve synergies with our present platforms. And that has served us very effectively prior to now. And we are literally very a lot sticking together with the technique.

And in the event you have a look at the general portfolio that we now have, we now have greater than 700 firms. And by and huge, most of them, the overwhelming majority of them are nonetheless present in that mode, proper? We’re backing entrepreneurial groups to drive their firms ahead. And on the identical time, we strive to determine natural methods to work with them in a synergistic manner. It simply occurs that when you have got 700 firms, then a few of the firms may very well get to a stage the place the entrepreneurs, the administration work out perhaps they need to search even tighter cooperation with Tencent.

In some instances, they might need to retire. In some instances, they really need to enter into a brand new stage of working. In some instances, their merchandise can really be built-in, in addition to cooperating rather more intently with our platforms. And that is the time once we might contemplate altering a unique manner of working with them and transferring them right into a extra consolidated portfolio.

And so this isn’t a change in our technique. That is simply — inside our technique, there can be totally different life phases of the life cycle of the businesses. And in some instances, there’s one other manner for us to be working with these portfolio firms, and also you’re simply seeing a few of them occurring in the midst of this yr.

Han Joon KimMacquarie Analysis — Analsyt

Received it, obtained it. That is smart. My second query, and I feel you partially touched upon this with the Official Accounts earlier, however there’s extra occurring in WeChat, whether or not it is Moments or the quick video or channel rising or whether or not it is Mini Packages. So inside all of the exercise that is been occurring inside WeChat, can we see type of any cannibalization between visitors? Or what sort of patterns do you see to the extent that may attain out in capability all kinds of broader units of conduct, whether or not it is commerce, whether or not it is promoting and all of that, simply type of how we expect by way of as you connect on incremental providers, how that is transferring into visitors and time spent throughout these providers?

Martin LauPresident

Sure. I feel this can be a good query. And the best way we have a look at WeChat and Weixin, particularly Weixin, it is actually — from a consumer perspective, proper, what are going to be helpful for customers? I feel we’re not making an attempt to type of combination a whole lot of providers simply to extend the quantity of consumer time. What we need to do is definitely we need to construct these providers one after the other, proper, in order that they really can add worth to unravel some real-life issues and add utility to our customers.

So in the event you have a look at the historical past of Weixin, which has been fairly lengthy, we began off to be a communication platform, then we added Moments, after which we now have Official Accounts, after which we now have funds. And over time, we add one service up in one other. Nevertheless it’s really unfold throughout a really lengthy time period. And each time we introduce a brand new service, it is with a whole lot of warning and ideas and testing in order that we need to make it possible for it is not a cluttered expertise for the customers, and it really helped to unravel a selected consumer want in a sublime manner.

So I feel that is the design strategy and precept of Weixin, and we now have all the time been following together with that. In a whole lot of instances, we really attempt to really ship away the customers and never occupy them for too lengthy a time. So within the case of fee, for instance, we do not give them a whole lot of — all types of various experiences, proper? We really attempt to get the fee accomplished after which off they go, proper? In a whole lot of search experiences, we really type of attempt to assist the customers discover the content material immediately after which ship them away to the content material. So a whole lot of these rules assist us to make it possible for whereas we really are providing a whole lot of providers inside Weixin, the expertise just isn’t cluttering and it is not complicated and it is not self-cannibalizing for the customers.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Alex Yao from JP Morgan. Please go forward.

Alex YaoJ.P. Morgan — Analyst

Thanks for taking my query. First query is relating to the runway of advert community enterprise. So in comparison with the WeChat adverts, this can be a much less well-understood enterprise. So are you able to assist us perceive, for instance, to what extent the media websites in China already becoming a member of the S community? What’s the typical advert load within the community, the potential for pricing enhance, format transition from banner to video, and so forth., and so forth.? To the extent which you could share any metrics, any course can be useful.

After which my follow-up query is relating to the Shiping Hao video accounts. Are you able to give us an replace by way of the visitors, time spent and your preliminary ideas on the monetization technique?

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

Thanks, Alex. So to start out with the advert community query, and Martin will speak about Shiping Hao. However on advert networks, I feel it is comparatively simple to measurement the chance. And in the event you have a look at Web promoting in the remainder of the world, and Google advert community, Fb advert community, very substantial companies, representing a double-digit share of complete on-line advert spend.

And equally importantly, they permit various smaller websites and medium-sized websites, which I would not be capable to justify constructing out their very own direct advert gross sales power to generate income and fund themselves and create new content material. And we expect that that development can be beneath manner in China. And we see increasingly of the media websites, for instance, becoming a member of our advert community. So we expect that is win-win.

When it comes to the advert masses, then it is clearly a perform of the location house owners’ decision-making somewhat than a perform of a Tencent-imposed directive. When it comes to the pricing, then traditionally when advert community was predominantly a banner advert enterprise, the standard advert pricing was correspondingly low, within the mid-single digits efficient income per thousand impressions vary. Nonetheless, as we talked about within the opening remarks, immediately, over 40% of the income in advert networks is definitely video format. And there, the pricing is considerably greater, nearer to high-teens renminbi eCPM.

So consequently, the blended eCPM for advert networks in China is now transferring as much as excessive single digits and low double digits, which is as soon as once more good each for us, but in addition extra so for the underlying property proprietor. So advert community is a vital enterprise to us. It is necessary financially. Advert community really contributed extra of our year-on-year promoting income development than Weixin Moments, for instance.

And it is necessary as proof of our expertise prowess. I feel there is a notion generally that Tencent’s energy as an promoting platform derived solely from the owned and operated properties and the visitors and engagement within the owned and operated properties. However in actuality, whereas these are essential, the truth that we’re extraordinarily aggressive and intensely quick rising in our community is a proof level that our advert expertise is more and more best-in-class as effectively.

Martin LauPresident

Now by way of the Shiping Hao, the Weixin channels, I’ll make a number of factors. Initially, it really flows from the Weixin design precept that I talked about earlier, which is it really comes from consumer insights and in addition the content material creation group insights, proper? We are able to see there is a want for short-form video content material. And we all know that there are a whole lot of content material suppliers who really need to leverage Weixin to offer their customers, their very own followers with quick video content material. In order that’s type of the place to begin of Shiping Hao.

And I’d say, logically, it may be thought-about as an extension of the Weixin Official Accounts. Solely on this case, we’re really altering the textual content and picture content material into video content material, and we’re encouraging present Official Accounts content material suppliers, in addition to new content material suppliers to offer quick video content material and join plans inside the Weixin ecosystem. Proper now, I’d say we — it is nonetheless in beta check. So it is too early to speak about any consumer numbers, metrics, in addition to even additional into monetization.

However I’ve to say, to date, throughout the beta check, proper, it appears prefer it’s effectively acquired by the customers, in addition to the content material manufacturing group.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Alicia Yap from Citigroup. Please go forward.

Alicia YaoJ.P. Morgan — Analyst

Hello, good night administration. Thanks for taking my questions and in addition Congrats on the strong set of outcomes. I’ve two fast questions. No.1 is with the launch of the Mini Retailer, and in addition you talked about extra established integration between the Mini Program and in addition Official Account.

Is there any probability that we might additional broaden our Weixin promoting ecosystem with in-app, pay-for-performance services or products search within the coming future?And the follow-up is on the cloud enterprise. You talked about on — there’s a number of of the key contracts signed. So simply roughly, what’s the sense of the — your cloud income that’s coming from the challenge base, the custom-made service versus the extra common infrastructure service income?

Martin LauPresident

When it comes to the Mini Retailer, I feel it’s a good addition to the general Weixin Mini Program ecosystem in help of eCommerce and different retailers. I feel, general, proper, as we proceed to enhance our set of instruments for the retailers, for the eCommerce suppliers, then we consider that the Mini Program ecosystem will turn out to be much more prevalent to retailers, and the transaction ecosystem inside Weixin would enhance. And when that occurs, then it is undoubtedly going to have a spillover impact into our promoting enterprise, proper? As a result of then it will likely be rather more economical and useful for the retailers to place in promoting in our ecosystems, which ought to embody Moments adverts, in addition to adverts within the Official Accounts. So all these can have a synergistic influence on one another.

When it comes to cloud, I’d say the challenge base is definitely a really small share of our complete income. By and huge, it is really the recurring income from a few of the cloud service itself.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of William Packer from Exane BNP Paribas. Please go forward.

William PackerExane BNP Paribas — Analyst

Hello, there. It is Will Packer from Exane. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the robust quarter. Understandably, there’s a important uncertainty across the substantive content material and enforcement of the WeChat order.

So stepping away from that, might you assist us take into consideration your income publicity to the U.S. and U.S. firms? What share of video video games is — of that video video games income is generated within the U.S.? And what number of On-line Promoting income in China is generated from U.S. companies? That is my first query.

And simply as a follow-up, we’re now a bit of bit additional on from the COVID disaster. May you share some ideas on the longer-lasting modifications in client conduct and the way they influence your online business, for instance, lasting shifts in gaming and on-line engagement, use of digital funds and cloud providers?

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

Thanks, Will. So that is James. So to reply your first query, the U.S. represents lower than 2% of our international income.

And inside that, promoting within the U.S. can be lower than 1% of our complete promoting income. Now I feel you have been additionally asking in regards to the share of promoting income in China from U.S. firms.

And our understanding is that is not type of a related metric for the dialogue at this cut-off date as a result of in the event you have a look at the Government Orders from Could 2019 after which extra not too long ago the Government Order a few days in the past, then they specify very clearly that they cowl U.S. jurisdiction. And consequently, we do not see an influence on firms promoting on our platform in China.

Martin LauPresident

Proper. I will reply your second query. However earlier than that, only one level so as to add on James’ reply is that there is really a whole lot of different advertisers proper now. So to some extent, as soon as we now have an promoting house and stock, proper, then principally, there are a whole lot of advertisers who’re bidding for such a listing house.

So so long as the advert house is there, I feel the income goes to be there. In order that’s along with James reply. Now by way of post-COVID proper now, I feel, clearly, shoppers have spent extra time on-line. And after that, they, by and huge, have gone again to work and going again to high school in China.

In the remainder of the world, it is not the identical. It is a for much longer interval. However even inside type of that small time period, I’d say client conduct have modified to the extent that extra on-line conduct has been embraced, and be it on-line leisure, on-line video games, in addition to on-line consumption, individuals are actually extra used to buying groceries on-line. They usually most likely type of are extra accustomed that needs to be procuring on-line by — by way of many packages or by watching on-line broadcast.

And I feel working on-line has additionally turn out to be extra familiarized with the customers, in addition to for the youth, proper? Getting educated on-line is definitely extra familiarized for them. So these behaviors, I’d say, would have implication for various totally different industries, together with the web leisure, the retail, not simply eCommerce but in addition all retailers, they want to consider the right way to serve their clients on-line, and schooling firms will want to consider the right way to embrace on-line schooling. And I’d say for companies, proper, increasingly companies are actually embracing a web based collaboration sort of working mode. It is to not say they’d be seeing all their staff working from dwelling, proper? I do not suppose that’s really going to occur in China.

However somewhat, there’s going to be a way more conducive setting for individuals to be collaborating on-line. A whole lot of occasions, some conferences, which in any other case prior to now must be accomplished in head to head, now might be carried out on-line. Conferences might be carried out on-line. Firm and corporations — inter-companies conferences might be carried out on-line.

And consequently, it will really capitalize a transfer of firms and enterprises into digitization. And I feel that will be the largest takeaway from COVID, proper? Everyone knows that customers are already on-line. Now they’re spending extra time. Sure, it is not — it is a quantitative change, not qualitative change.

However for companies, proper, after they now see their clients transferring on-line, after they see their staff transferring on-line, after they see different firms transferring on-line, there’s going to be a a lot greater impetus for them to be digitized and transfer on-line. And that is basically the digitized financial system future that we’re embracing. And I feel our providers and particularly our cloud providers and our SaaS providers can be there to serve them on this giant transition towards a digitized working mode.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Jerry Liu from UBS. Please go forward.

Jerry LiuUBS — Analyst

Hey, thanks. I’ve two questions as effectively. And the primary one is again on cell gaming. James, you talked about earlier that you simply have a look at a few of the digital gadgets we now have immediately like Tesla vehicles or these dragon weapons that they do actually encourage extra spending.

I am , whenever you have a look at the worldwide avid gamers, do you suppose over time, they will spend near the extent of Chinese language avid gamers in a few of your high-quality cell video games?

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

I feel that what we see over time is that the behaviors are more and more type of convergent somewhat than divergent. Which means that in the event you went again 10 years in the past, then within the western world, the dominant monetization mannequin was shoppers paying $50 for a software program. And in China and Korea, the dominant mannequin was shoppers consuming video games free of charge. After which for a sure type of slim style of historic role-playing video games, paying giant quantities of cash for magic kinds and sorcerer’s bows and arrows and issues.

And during the last decade, what has been occurring is that within the West and in Japan, more and more, there’s been innovation round deploying digital gadgets in sports activities video games, in shooter video games, in modern-day video games extra usually. And on the identical time, in China and Korea, we have seen growing uptake of these extra type of team-based motion video games as effectively. And as video games turn out to be increasingly necessary and increasingly a part of the millennial client thoughts house, then you definately start to see a very highly effective crossover. So I discussed crossover between Peacekeeper Elite and Tesla.

However I feel that Epic has accomplished an outstanding job with the crossovers with the DC and Marvel tremendous hero characters. And as soon as once more, these are skins, however in addition they have sport modes the place the superheroes really unlock, in films, superpowers. So what we see is that, really, the willingness to buying sport gadgets. And pricing of the in-game gadgets on these modern-day shooter video games, sports activities video games and so forth can meet up with and even overtake the historical past of role-playing video games, which pioneered the digital merchandise mannequin.

In order that’s a very massive change. It is a change that I feel is sweet for the sport {industry} globally and it is merely good for Tencent as a result of we are typically overrepresented towards team-based motion video games.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Binnie Wong from HSBC. Please go forward.

Binnie WongHSBC — Analyst

Good night administration. Congratulations on a really robust quarter. I’ve two strategy-related questions. One is on the Mini Program.

So with the latest launch of the Mini Shops, proper, to assist our long-tail retailers to construct and function the digital assortment and, in fact, all the best way to aftersales customer support. Are you able to share with us what are the important thing classes of retailers that you’ve been seeing and in addition been doing effectively? And in addition, second, is that primarily based in your remark, how is Tencent options extra compelling to different eCommerce platforms? And I will have a follow-up query.

Martin LauPresident

Effectively, I’d say the Mini Shops have simply been launched, so we do not have a whole lot of figures to share but. However this can be a set of instruments that are largely serving to the long-tail retailers, proper? So in the event you’re fascinated with, oh, how it should be in comparison with the opposite Mini Program instruments firms, that are offering these instruments prior to now, then they’re really very totally different, proper? These firms are primarily offering instruments to bigger retailers, particularly bigger retailers. And it is supposed to be this manner in order that we’re differentiated from them. They’re our good companions, and we proceed to work with them to assist the bigger retailers who need to have rather more customization to get their Mini Packages up and working.

However on the identical time, we all know that there are a whole lot of long-tail retailers who really additionally need to have a comparatively commonplace set of instruments in order that they will interact with their clients. And that is what the Mini Shops are supposed for.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Piyush Mubayi from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your query.

Piyush MubayiGoldman Sachs — Analyst

Thanks for taking my query. I’ve a number of questions on video games. However the first query is whenever you launch — or are the cusp of the launch of a sport like cell DnF, how do you strategize the allocation of promoting {dollars} towards that? And the way do you take note of the relative success of that sport versus the entire different video games to maximise general income? That is my first query. And second, associated to the factors you made earlier, Martin, in regards to the energy of your sport platform and the way effectively it has been rising, in the event you have a look at how profitable you have been internationally, it does seem that there is much more leg room there for the way a lot additional you may develop.

Would you hazard a guess of with expertise, with IP, sport play and M&A, what kind of market shares we will anticipate, for instance, three to 5 years down the road? Wouldn’t it be anyplace close to the place you’re in China at this level of time?

Martin LauPresident

Effectively, by way of taking a look at a selected title and the way a lot advertising and marketing price range we will put in, I feel the best way we have a look at it’s we have a look at how massive the addressable market is, how massive the chance is, how massive an IP and the potential consumer base is, after which we put sufficient {dollars}, proper, to succeed in these clients. And naturally, as a result of we now have our personal platform benefit, so usually, the amount of cash that we spend is definitely lower than in any other case a stand-alone sport firm can be spending. However we’ll be spending sufficient {dollars} in order that we will really obtain the utmost success for a selected title. I feel in your query, you additionally considerably take into consideration perhaps a hit of a sport would really eat into the success of one other sport.

I feel we do not have a look at it that manner. I feel every sport has its personal enchantment to the shoppers, and we do not suppose video games are likely to cannibalize an excessive amount of with one another, proper? And it is a very giant market on the market with a whole lot of totally different titles. So every title needs to be given sufficient advertising and marketing {dollars} to maximise its personal success. When it comes to worldwide, I feel we’re undoubtedly very centered on creating a long-term technique to seize the alternatives in a global market.

And in a manner, I feel China is a extra developed marketplace for cell gaming in comparison with different markets. And consequently, we felt that the experience and the expertise we now have developed in China can really assist us to seize alternatives world wide. I can not offer you a guess of the market share. We’ll attempt to do our greatest.

However in China, we do have Weixin and QQ as a platform. So I feel the franchise that we now have is definitely stronger out on the planet. We might not be having such a robust franchise. So I feel that could be a actuality that we now have to acknowledge.

However on the identical time, the gaming {industry} is about expertise. It is about sport growth capabilities, about expertise, and we now have these core competencies to assist us to develop higher and higher video games and in addition work with companions world wide in order that we will convey video games which can be thrilling to the customers. And hopefully, by way of that, we will really seize a few of the alternatives within the gaming market internationally. We don’t consider it is only a zero-sum sport, proper? The market really has obtained a whole lot of alternatives for development as effectively.

So we’re working in an increasing market, and we’re enthusiastic about that.


Thanks. The subsequent query comes from the road of Gary Yu from Morgan Stanley. Please go forward.

Gary YuMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Thanks for the chance to ask query and congratulations on the robust set of outcomes. I’ve two associated questions relating to worldwide technique. Given the rising of geopolitical tensions, how do you suppose it’s going to change our worldwide technique in a different way? Can we intend to type of restrict our abroad publicity to the lag delicate gaming market? Or we now have extra type of ambition to faucet into international alternatives? And a follow-up associated query is can we anticipate a few of our rivals redirecting the main focus and sources again to China as in addition they scale down type of international publicity? And the way ought to we deal with that?

Martin LauPresident

When it comes to the worldwide markets, proper, we do have a long-term strategic objective of creating worldwide presence. And we are literally very affected person about it. We emphasize it is long run, proper? And to date, we now have made good progress round sure verticals reminiscent of video games. However we additionally anticipate that there can be challenges and obstacles.

However we consider that alongside the best way, proper, the best way we develop our worldwide technique is by specializing in various rules. The primary one is we focus lots on customers and consumer expertise and merchandise. And that may embody defending the privateness, in addition to the safety of information for our customers. And second one is we function straightly in compliance with the legal guidelines and laws in every one in all nation that we function.

And thirdly, we really depend on a whole lot of win-win companions, proper? In a whole lot of instances, we really work with native companions in every one of many nations that we now have a presence in. And we attempt to create a win-win partnership with them. We respect their entrepreneurism. We respect their independence.

However on the identical time, we will really herald our experience to assist them to be extra profitable. And we consider these rules, proper, would really serve us effectively over the long term. There could also be nations which can be difficult at one time or one other, however general, we consider it is a very giant worldwide market, and there are a whole lot of nations, a whole lot of firms, a whole lot of merchandise that we might be profitable in if we’re affected person and if we proceed to stay to those rules. Now by way of your second query, I feel, to some extent, it is really extremely speculative, however what you need to have some consolation is that it doesn’t matter what the aggressive dynamics are, Tencent continues to focus lots on bettering our personal capabilities, in addition to bettering our product, consumer expertise and worth proposition for our customers whatever the aggressive dynamics.

So we’re already working very exhausting, and we’ll proceed to work very exhausting to concentrate on these components, which I feel are rather more intrinsic to the long-term success of the corporate somewhat than what different firms would do.


Thanks. We can be taking the final query. It is from the road of Eddie Leung from Financial institution of America. Please go forward.

Eddie LeungFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Good night guys. Two questions. The primary one is about your FinTech and Enterprise Companies phase. May you elaborate on the relative significance of the few components behind the bettering gross margin development of the phase? And what could possibly be the outlook for that? After which secondly, relating to the built-in promoting platform for advertisers, clearly, you guys talked about that it will assist the effectivity for the advertisers.

However can we anticipate any potential affect on their spending or price range going ahead?

Martin LauPresident

So on FinTech, proper now, I feel — effectively, a part of it, in the event you examine year-on-year, is definitely the truth that we really begin gathering a few of the curiosity again from the deposit with Central Financial institution. And I’d say the truth that advertising and marketing bills come down right into a extra rational degree additionally helps that is as a part of the aggressive dynamics changing into much less cut-throat. And thirdly is the truth that as we proceed to develop the opposite nonpayment FinTech merchandise, proper, so be it our mortgage merchandise or the wealth administration merchandise, these are merchandise which really generate revenue. And because the scale of those merchandise go up, then the margin profile really improves.

So with the promoting, I’ll cross to James.

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

Sure. With the built-in advert platform, then naturally, we’d hope that with extra engaging, extra highly effective, extra simplified advert buying and monitoring and efficiency options, then we’d inherently enhance our share of advertiser exercise and budgets. And I feel that in the event you look globally, there are a lot of different Web firms that moved from type of missing to main advert tech positions, and as they did so, seize progressively bigger shares of advert spend. Now in fact, there needs to be some type of higher restrict on how a lot advert spend one can seize regardless of how glorious one’s expertise is.

However for us, I feel that higher restrict remains to be somewhat distant as a result of our share of time spent in China Web is round 40%, whereas our share of promoting spend in China Web is beneath 14%. So I feel that there is a very lengthy development runway for us as we proceed to boost our advert tech by way of options like the brand new built-in advert platform to ship long-term however sustained market share positive factors.

Wendy HuangInvestor Relations

Thanks. Operator, we’re closing the decision now. Should you want to examine our press launch and different monetary info, please go to the IR part of our firm web site at www.tencent.com. The replay of this webcast can even be obtainable quickly.

Thanks, and see you subsequent quarter.


That does conclude our convention for immediately. Thanks for taking part Tencent Holdings Restricted 2020 second quarter and interim outcomes announcement convention name.[Operator signoff]

Period: 70 minutes

Name contributors:

Wendy HuangInvestor Relations

Pony MaChairman and Chief Government Officer

Martin LauPresident

James MitchellChief Technique Officer

John LoChief Monetary Officer

John ChoiDaiwa Capital Markets — Analyst

Han Joon KimMacquarie Analysis — Analsyt

Alex YaoJ.P. Morgan — Analyst

Alicia YaoJ.P. Morgan — Analyst

William PackerExane BNP Paribas — Analyst

Jerry LiuUBS — Analyst

Binnie WongHSBC — Analyst

Piyush MubayiGoldman Sachs — Analyst

Gary YuMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Eddie LeungFinancial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

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